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Nelida1962 (not verified)

18 years 11 months ago

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Rancho EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO

I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone help?

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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makas_nc

18 years 11 months ago

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Rancho EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO

go here: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
and under p and then Papelote it says:

"Rancho de la Municipalidad de San Juan de los Lagos, segundo canton,
estado de Jalisco. Otro de la municipalidad de Union."

joseph

Nelida1962 wrote:

>I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone help?
>
>Gracias,
>Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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Nelida1962 (not verified)

18 years 11 months ago

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Rancho EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO

Gracias Mr. Puentes for all your information. You have answered my question. That EL PAPELOTE belongs to San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco not San Julian.
Muchas Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

Joseph Puentes wrote:
go here: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
and under p and then Papelote it says:

"Rancho de la Municipalidad de San Juan de los Lagos, segundo canton,
estado de Jalisco. Otro de la municipalidad de Union."

joseph

Nelida1962 wrote:

>I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone help?
>
>Gracias,
>Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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godoi1m@netzero.net (not verified)

18 years 8 months ago

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Hello, My name is George Godoy, My ancestors were from Tlaltenango,Zacatecas and Tepechiltan, Zacatecas. This is my Linage Franco Godoy m. Rosamaria de Llamas, Agustine Godoy m. Maria Anttonia De La O, Casimiro Celedonio m. Ana de luna,Mathiana ynigues,and Petra Correa, Jose Crecencio Godoy m. Maria Lugarda Nava,Leocadia Cobarrubias. Jose Epitacio Godoy m.Josefa Marquez, Cristobal Godoy m. Maria Jesus Herrera, Catarina Godoy, Dorotea Sanchez. Juan Nepamuceno Godoy m. Petra Martinez,Florentina Agredano in Tepic,Nayarit.My Father Albino Godoy m. Maria Jesus Urias Monreal a Decendant of Presido of Tucson Arizona settlers.

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arturoramos

18 years 8 months ago

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For George, mi primo re: los Godoy

George:

You and I are primos. I am a direct descendant of Francisco Godoy, Maria de la Rosa Llamas and their son Agustin Godoy. I lose your lineage there. Are you saying that Agustin and Maria Antonia de la O had a son named Casimiro Celedonio? I did not have him as one of their children.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1281

I have a suspsicion that Francisco Godoy is a descendant of Juan Carlos de Godoy, whose descendancy Susana Leniski has documented quite well (you can find it in her member's genealogy folder), but I have not been able to make the connection as I cannot find the marriage document or birth document for Francisco de Godoy.

Welcome to the group. There is a whole group of us with lines in Tlaltenango and Tepechitlan and I am sure we are all related.

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godoi1m@netzero.net (not verified)

18 years 8 months ago

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Hello, I would like to introduce myself. My name is George Godoy I been researching the Godoys/Godoi of Zacatecas so far I'm down to my nineth Gen. GreatGrandfather Nicolas Godoy his son Franco married Maria Rosa de LLamas in 1704, the family settle in Rancho de la LLamas in Tlaltenango,Zacatecas they are listed in the Census of Tlaltenango of 1754.
George

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margeval

18 years 8 months ago

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Do you have an Agustina in your de Llamas tree? Marge:)
On Nov 3, 2006, at 6:29 PM, godoi1m@netzero.net wrote:

> Hello, I would like to introduce myself. My name is George Godoy I
> been researching the Godoys/Godoi of Zacatecas so far I'm down to my
> nineth Gen. GreatGrandfather Nicolas Godoy his son Franco married
> Maria Rosa de LLamas in 1704, the family settle in Rancho de la LLamas
> in Tlaltenango,Zacatecas they are listed in the Census of Tlaltenango
> of 1754.
>
> George

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scooterpie1968

18 years 8 months ago

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Possible Connection - Finally!?!??!

George, I emailed you my genealogical report for my Godoy/Llamas line....is there a connection there? I haven't researched this line past 1746...my Godoy/Llamas are, too, in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, in Zacatecas. I go up as far as Josseph Godoy married to Maria Magdalena de Llamas who had Maria Salvadora Godoy in 1756 and Maria Rita Godoy in 1746. Maria Salvadora married Francisco Salvador Bergara and that's the last of the line because the rest of my family branches out to Bergara's and then to Avila's and then to Correa's......let me know!

Peggy Delgado

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scooterpie1968

18 years 8 months ago

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Possible Connection - Finally!?!??!

George, I emailed you my genealogical report for my Godoy/Llamas line....is there a connection there? I haven't researched this line past 1746...my Godoy/Llamas are, too, in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, in Zacatecas. I go up as far as Josseph Godoy married to Maria Magdalena de Llamas who had Maria Salvadora Godoy in 1756 and Maria Rita Godoy in 1746. Maria Salvadora married Francisco Salvador Bergara and that's the last of the line because the rest of my family branches out to Bergara's and then to Avila's and then to Correa's......let me know!

Peggy Delgado

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Denise Lovato-Duran

18 years 5 months ago

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Hello,
My Name is Denise Lovato-Duran I am researching the Lobato's who are from Sombrete, Zacatacas. I recently had my brother do his DNA and we turned out Halogroup Q-3 it also matched a Tafoya whose roots go back to Michoacan. I think my Indian ancestor came to Sombrete and was baptized a Lobato. The first Lobato's that came to New Mexico were Bartolome Lobato and his brother Matias I am possibly the descentant of Matias Lobato.
Thank You
Denise Lovato-Duran

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Denise Lovato-Duran

18 years 5 months ago

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----- Original Message -----
From: DENISE LOVATO-DURAN
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Hello,
My Name is Denise Lovato-Duran I am researching the Lobato's who are from Sombrete, Zacatacas. I recently had my brother do his DNA and we turned out Halogroup Q-3 it also matched a Tafoya whose roots go back to Michoacan. I think my Indian ancestor came to Sombrete and was baptized a Lobato. The first Lobato's that came to New Mexico were Bartolome Lobato and his brother Matias I am possibly the descentant of Matias Lobato.
Thank You
Denise Lovato-Duran

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hfaizcorbe

18 years 4 months ago

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Hola a todos:

Soy nuevo en este grupo y estoy interesado en genealogía principalmente de
Zacatecas. Mis abuelos paternos y la mayor parte de mis ancestros provienen
de Jerez, con ramas que vienen de Monte Escobedo, Tlaltenango, Fresnillo,
Colotlán, etc.

Cuento con bastante información sobre familias de Jerez y me pongo a su
disposición.

Saludos,
Héctor Félix Aizcorbe

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meef98367

18 years 4 months ago

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Bienvenido, Hector,

Mis ancestros eran Felix de Arellano y Felix de Tinajero de Tepetongo y Salitrillo. Mis ancestros de apellido Olague eran de Jerez y Tepetongo. Tambien tengo Suriano, Quijas, Lucio, Escovedo, Aro, Flores, Munoz, Campos, Salazar, Miranda. Puedes ver mi arbol genealogico en este website.

Emilie Garcia
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hector Felix Aizcorbe
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Hola a todos:

Soy nuevo en este grupo y estoy interesado en genealogía principalmente de
Zacatecas. Mis abuelos paternos y la mayor parte de mis ancestros provienen
de Jerez, con ramas que vienen de Monte Escobedo, Tlaltenango, Fresnillo,
Colotlán, etc.

Cuento con bastante información sobre familias de Jerez y me pongo a su
disposición.

Saludos,
Héctor Félix Aizcorbe

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hfaizcorbe

18 years 3 months ago

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Hola Emilie:

Perdón por una respuesta tan tardía, pero he estado en cambio de trabajo muy
ocupado. Yo tengo entre mis ancestros muchos de los apellidos que mencionas,
y, en algunos casos, he avanzado mucho. Mi árbil genealógico lo tengo armado
en hojas de Excel, ya que a mi me facilita mas la consulta. Si te interesa
te lo puedo enviar, tengo un file por mi abuelo paterno y otro por mi abuela
paterna. Hoy he visitado el tuyo, pero a pesar de que muchos apellidos
coinciden, hasta ahora no aparece ninguno de mis ancestros.

Saludos y quedo a tus órdenes,
Héctor

>From: "Emilie Garcia"
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:01:57 -0800
>
>Bienvenido, Hector,
>
>Mis ancestros eran Felix de Arellano y Felix de Tinajero de Tepetongo y
>Salitrillo. Mis ancestros de apellido Olague eran de Jerez y Tepetongo.
>Tambien tengo Suriano, Quijas, Lucio, Escovedo, Aro, Flores, Munoz, Campos,
>Salazar, Miranda. Puedes ver mi arbol genealogico en este website.
>
>Emilie Garcia
>Port Orchard, WA --
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hector Felix Aizcorbe
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:34 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
>
> Hola a todos:
>
> Soy nuevo en este grupo y estoy interesado en genealogía principalmente
>de
> Zacatecas. Mis abuelos paternos y la mayor parte de mis ancestros
>provienen
> de Jerez, con ramas que vienen de Monte Escobedo, Tlaltenango,
>Fresnillo,
> Colotlán, etc.
>
> Cuento con bastante información sobre familias de Jerez y me pongo a su
> disposición.
>
> Saludos,
> Héctor Félix Aizcorbe
>
>
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ANGELAJSERNA

18 years ago

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This is the only info that I have on my family in AGUASCALIENTES:

FRANCISCA RODRIGUEZ b 10/4/1880 in LA DURNAMILLA, AGUASCALIENTES, MX
father: JOSE RODRIGUZ
mother: APOLONIA SERNA
spouse(1): VIDAL SERNA
spouse (2): MARTIN (MARTINIANO) SERNA

children of VIDAL SERNA and FRANCISCA RODRIGUEZ:

MARCOS RODRIGUEZ SERNA b abt 1902 in CALVILLO, AGUASCALIENTES, MX d DELANO,
KERN, CALIFORNIA, USA
JUAN RODRIGUEZ SERNA b abt 1901 in CALVILLO, AGUASCALIENTES, MX
ROSENDO RODRIGUEZ SERNA b abt 1904 in CALVILLO, AGUASCALIENTES, MX d abt 1953
in CUTLER, TULARE, CALIFORNIA, USA

CASIMIRO RODRIGUEZ SERNA: b 3/4/1909 in CALVILLO, AGUASCALIENTES, MX d
2/15/2002 in CUTLER, TULARE, CALIFORNIA, USA This is my grandfather

_http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16087_
(http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16087)

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alicebb

17 years 5 months ago

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Good Evening Group, I have the opportunity to join friends on a trip to Aguascalientes and Zacatecas this Semana Santa. In my efforts to locate information on my mother, Enedina Onate's family, I've been through several LDS films following leads with no success. It appears that most of my oral history evades documentation. The only fact I have to work from is that my great-grandfather, Rosalio Onate, originally from Villa Garcia, Zac.(based on border crossing records) is entombed in an Aguascalientes, Agua. church. At 13, I was taken to see it, but at the time I wasn't interested and don't know the name of the church! I'd like to take this is my opportunity to find information on Rosalio and immediate family from the church. I've checked film 0299882 Aguascalientes deaths from 1918-1961 with no luck. How do you suggest I narrow down the possibilities and locate the church? I would like to arrive with some information to go on as my time will be limited. Any help on researching in Mexico and visiting in general would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Alice BB

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez and Viramontes in Jalpa Zacatecas
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:10:13 -0800 (PST)

Veronica:

Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find plenty of people here willing to help.

As far as Jalpa records, you are correct in that they are skimpy. There appears to have been loss of most of the records probably in a war or a fire. If you do a search on the site, there are members who have been able to research genealogy and microhistory nevertheless.

I think given the approximate dates of the ancestors for whom you have details, you should be able to find some records. Jalpa does not appear to be indexed (given the late years and paucity of the records). So that means you will basically have to look through the films.

Your great-grandparents appear to have been born around 1880 and probably married around 1900 so their baptisms might not be in the church records, but your grandparents likely are. Many baptism records post-1820 or so and nearly all civil registry records include grandparents' names so your grandparents' baptisms/birth registry will list your great-grandparents and great-great grandparents' names.

Also your great grandparents' marriage records are likely in the informacion matrimonial films from Jalpa and those will likewise list your great-great-grandparents' names. In fact, because the informacion matrimonial goes back to 1864, you should be able to find even your great-great-grandparents' marriages from which you can get their parents' names. Then there is a 36 year gap which you may or may not be able to overcome but you can cross that bridge when you get to it... seems like you have plenty to work with for now.

From http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

JALPA CHURCH RECORDS
Bautismos 1909-1919 VAULT INTL Film 1158671
Confirmaciones 1880-1900 FHL INTL Film 1158672 Item 1
Información matrimonial 1864-1875 FHL INTL Film 1511832 Items 3-4
Información matrimonial 1874-1897 VAULT INTL Film 1511824
Información matrimonial 1898-1904 VAULT INTL Film 1511825
Información matrimonial 1905-1923 VAULT INTL Film 1511833
Información matrimonial 1923-1924 FHL INTL Film 1506870 Item 1
Información matrimonial 1944 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Item 3
Matrimonios 1827-1838, 1913-1918 FHL INTL Film 1158672 Items 2-4
Matrimonios 1917-1920 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Items 1-2
Defunciones 1814-1917 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Items 4-5

JALPA CIVIL REGISTRY
Nacimientos 1896-1898 VAULT INTL Film 773877
Nacimientos 1899-1902 VAULT INTL Film 773878
Nacimientos 1903-1905 VAULT INTL Film 773879
Nacimientos 1906-1909 VAULT INTL Film 773880

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Marionicia

17 years 5 months ago

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Rosalio Oñate in the phone book? For Alice B. B.

When you are there check the phone book, look for Oñate and make phone calls regarding your ggrandpa, identify yourself inmediatly and than make your request clearly, cause of phone calls that bad people make asking for monetary help, nowadays people hesitate to give up info, so one better give up info first. Look for anyone with similar names such any Rosalio, as it is usual to name children arter relatives. Look in the surrounding towns phone books also, make a list first so you can carry it back in case time is not enough. That is an idea, good luck. Maybe a name will ring off the memory afterwards.

Do you have and old relative close? Talk about your trip, comment about names and related places. Maybe it will ring the bell.

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alicebb

17 years 5 months ago

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Hi Daniel, Were you able to locate and access the capital city of Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes through the website you sent for 1930 Mexico census? The folks at my FHC couldn't locate through that site. It sure would help if I knew that someone could locate and access it. Thanks, Alice BB

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cjg63

17 years 2 months ago

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Hello Everyone,

My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name) and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My Grandmothers family had a Rancho near Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in California and elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the possibilites of
this website.

Cindy Gutierrez

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Gabriela

17 years 2 months ago

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Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for you.
Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From: cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name) and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My Grandmothers family had a Rancho near Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in California an
d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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chilerey54

17 years 2 months ago

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Gutierrez y de La Torre

Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez line hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el Alto and San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor Clemente de La Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time back) was from Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From: cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name) and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My Grandmothers family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TA
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Felix

17 years 2 months ago

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Gutierrez y de La Torre

Ronnie,

I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.

J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:50 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez
line hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el
Alto and San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor
Clemente de La Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time
back) was from Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La
Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some
Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family too. I guess info posted on these
surnames will be usful for both of us. I submited a small file, please
seeif you can access it, it may be useful for you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue,
15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From: cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)>
> Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I am researching my
father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small town called
Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family names I
am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name) and
De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get
all the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now,
although they live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico
many times to see family and take pictures of the Rancho before they
sold it. I would love to know more about my family and possibly connect
with cousins here in California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no
longer am able to speak Spanish so that has limited my ability to get
information. I am very by the possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy
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Gutierrez y de La Torre

Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I may have your answers?
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Ronnie,

I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.

J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento

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Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez
line hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el
Alto and San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor
Clemente de La Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time
back) was from Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La
Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some
Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family too. I guess info posted on these
surnames will be usful for both of us. I submited a small file, please
seeif you can access it, it may be useful for you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue,
15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From: cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)>
> Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I am researching my
father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small town called
Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family names I
am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name) and
De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get
all the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now,
although they live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico
many times to see family and take pictures of the Rancho before they
sold it. I would love to know more about my family and possibly connect
with cousins here in California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no
longer am able to speak Spanish so that has limited my ability to get
information. I am very by the possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy
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I was born in Aguascalientes, Ags. but live in Texas,  and from my mother have been able to determine that my maternal grandmother  was born in El Terrero de la Labor c1930 and died 1977, and that her mother was born c1903 and died 1994 within the same geographical area.  My maternal grandfather was also born in El Terrero de la Labor c1925 but i do not know his d.o.b. yet but he died @ 2 years ago.
 
I am still researching their pedigree charts to verify relations.  Verbal accounts show that my maternal grandmother was a twin and had at least 5 siblings and that her mother had over 9 siblings all from Ojocaliente or Calvillo area.
 
My maternal family's name "according to my mother" is de Loera and not Loera.  My paternal surname is Alatorre but I am still trying to determine if from Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.
 
If you have any questions do not hesitate to let me know.
 
Cordially,
 
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17 years 2 months ago

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Loera and De La Torre

Karina:

Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find many people who can help you with your research in this group.

As I have told other people, it is very important to be specific of people you are looking for. Your message does not include any names... only surnames. Your file folder has very scant information. In order for members here to point you to possible leads it is important that you share specific information including full names, approximate dates (of birth, marriage) and place names.

What were your grandmothers' names?

You wrote:

I was born in Aguascalientes, Ags. but live in Texas, and from my mother have been able to determine that my maternal grandmother was born in El Terrero de la Labor c1930 and died 1977, and that her mother was born c1903 and died 1994 within the same geographical area. My maternal grandfather was also born in El Terrero de la Labor c1925 but i do not know his d.o.b. yet but he died @ 2 years ago.

I am still researching their pedigree charts to verify relations. Verbal accounts show that my maternal grandmother was a twin and had at least 5 siblings and that her mother had over 9 siblings all from Ojocaliente or Calvillo area.

My maternal family's name "according to my mother" is de Loera and not Loera. My paternal surname is Alatorre but I am still trying to determine if from Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.

If you have any questions do not hesitate to let me know.

Cordially,

Karina Alatorre de Loera

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17 years ago

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Hello Dianne Godinez,
I have told you before that IMO you are one of "the good guys" on the Nuestros Ranchos
e-list. That has never been more evident than today! I have just finished catching up with the posts of the last week or so. I was shocked to see such incredible ignorance being espoused on the list and even more shocked that apparently the list moderator did not see fit to take a position against elitest, classist, racist and ignorant commentary. As a person who has spent many years in San Diego supporting nonprofit organizations which provide social/human services to the Latino population and as a supporter of the ACLU, I find Vicente's comments and those of his admirers/supporters totally repugnant. Unfotunately, there have always been certain people who need to demonize other groups in order to feel good about themslves.
 
 I  then experienced such  a dramatic & refreshing contrast as I read your posts which contain the usual good natured, helpful and supportive tenor. I say BRAVO to you and the others on this list who model such laudable traits.
Regards,
Michael  Bravo
 
p.s.
And for the naysayers, no, I am not a disgruntled "indio". In fact I am dna confirmed "european" both paternal & maternal. Mother from Jalisco and father from Guanajuato.

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17 years ago

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As my DNA testing confirms my Mexican heritage (patrilineal) as pure Indian, thanks for sticking up for us peons!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bernard Lopez

Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:19
To:patricia burton , research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Hello Dianne Godinez,
I have told you before that IMO you are one of "the good guys" on the Nuestros Ranchos
e-list. That has never been more evident than today! I have just finished catching up with the posts of the last week or so. I was shocked to see such incredible ignorance being espoused on the list and even more shocked that apparently the list moderator did not see fit to take a position against elitest, classist, racist and ignorant commentary. As a person who has spent many years in San Diego supporting nonprofit organizations which provide social/human services to the Latino population and as a supporter of the ACLU, I find Vicente's comments and those of his admirers/supporters totally repugnant. Unfotunately, there have always been certain people who need to demonize other groups in order to feel good about themslves.
 
 I  then experienced such  a dramatic & refreshing contrast as I read your posts which contain the usual good natured, helpful and supportive tenor. I say BRAVO to you and the others on this list who model such laudable traits.
Regards,
Michael  Bravo
 
p.s.
And for the naysayers, no, I am not a disgruntled "indio". In fact I am dna confirmed "european" both paternal & maternal. Mother from Jalisco and father from Guanajuato.

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Mr. Lopez,

Wanted to add to my agreement with your position. Just watched "The Kite Runner" last night and was reminded of how racial and cultural minorities have been and will continue to be persecuted and "holocausted" as long as our species abides by "Us and Them" attitudes. The Hazaras of Afghanistan are the Jews of WWII Europe, the Armenians of WWI Turkey and the Native Americans of colonial New Spain. We fancy ourselves more "civilized" than our forebears yet continue to condone behavior and beliefs that belie our true nature as human beings. Thank you for your commentary.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bernard Lopez

Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:19
To:patricia burton , research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Hello Dianne Godinez,
I have told you before that IMO you are one of "the good guys" on the Nuestros Ranchos
e-list. That has never been more evident than today! I have just finished catching up with the posts of the last week or so. I was shocked to see such incredible ignorance being espoused on the list and even more shocked that apparently the list moderator did not see fit to take a position against elitest, classist, racist and ignorant commentary. As a person who has spent many years in San Diego supporting nonprofit organizations which provide social/human services to the Latino population and as a supporter of the ACLU, I find Vicente's comments and those of his admirers/supporters totally repugnant. Unfotunately, there have always been certain people who need to demonize other groups in order to feel good about themslves.
 
 I  then experienced such  a dramatic & refreshing contrast as I read your posts which contain the usual good natured, helpful and supportive tenor. I say BRAVO to you and the others on this list who model such laudable traits.
Regards,
Michael  Bravo
 
p.s.
And for the naysayers, no, I am not a disgruntled "indio". In fact I am dna confirmed "european" both paternal & maternal. Mother from Jalisco and father from Guanajuato.

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17 years ago

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I am sadden at the fact that my ancestors were such cruel people. After learning Spanish History it's quite bloody of wars and death very much unorthodox to say the least. But I think it was the fact of European establishment. It is likely they saw anything non European as a threat and basically had tp "wipe out" that threat to them. I do admit to this day no matter what in Mexico today the natives are still being robbed to this day. I can say my family wasn't the most nicest in Huanusco or Los Altos and Calvillo. But neverthe less I was taught to recognise and love and honor my roots regardless. A lot of people do get offened and mad when they find out "yo soy Espanol" but I know i am not one of the crazy killing spaniards those ae long gone. -Daniel
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carolina

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Hi Michael!
Thanks for your support on this issue. I wanted to touch base with you since
my family is also Jalisciense y Guanajuatense and I too am a defender of
intl. human rights - former educator & now legal advocate. I look forward to
seeing you here!

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From: siriuslr@hotmail.comTo: genealogia-mexico@googlegroups.comSubject: [Genealogia.org.mx] 19961 RE: De Alva MartinDate: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:16:34 -0600

Disculpen estoy atorada con el matrimonio y nacimiento de José Martin De Alva y Encarnación Enriquez en Tepatitlán su hija Juana Maria de Alva es mi Bisabuela casada con Simon de la Mora Martin casados el 31 ago 1864, Simón es hijo de Rudecindo de la Mora y Dorotea Martin, según yo Rudecindo es hijo de Juan maria Reducindo de la Mora y Gertrudis Gallegos esta última hija de Carlos Gallegos y Maria Manuela de la Camara y Menoyo (ella de Nochistan). Juan maria de la Mora no sé si es hijo de Juan de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza y Margarita Martin del Campo o de Juan Maria de la Mora y Maria Ygnacia Martin Según yo esta Dorotea es hija de Jose Antonio Martin y Francisca Ochoa y sus padres (Miguel Martin y Josefa De la Torre) y Salvador Manuel de Ochoa y Ana Martin (11 may 1772 en las cruces) no les pido que me regalen su trabajo solo que me digan si voy bien por ahi...es que soy media nueva en esta región..Agradezco de antemano su ayuda..Leticia R.

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16 years 6 months ago

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Hola Leticia, yo también quiero saber quienes son los padres de José Martín de Alba y Encarnación Enríquez, pero hasta ahora no lo encuentro; en cuanto a que si van bien tus datos, te digo que yo tengo una diferencia contigo, pues yo tengo Juan María de la Mora, es hijo de Miguel de la Mora y María Petra de Hermosillo y no de Juan y Margarita, los cuales son sus abuelos. De ahí en adelante todo va bien.

Me gustaría saber que mas datos tienes de Salvador Manuel Ochoa Garibay, pues me faltan saber sus padres; y saber tu línea de los Altos hasta tí.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hola Jorge,

Mi Padre Mario Reynoso(D.F) Ballesteros(Oaxaca) es hijo de Carmen Ballesteros De la Mora hija de Eberarda De la Mora De Alva y

Lucio Guadalupe Ballesteros; Eberarda de la Mora es hija de Juana Maria de Alva y de Simon de la Mora Martin casados el 31

ago 1864, Simón es hijo de Rudecindo de la Mora y Dorotea Martin,

Rudecindo es hijo de Juan maria Reducindo de la Mora y Gertrudis Gallegos esta última hija de Carlos Gallegos y Maria Manuela

de la Camara y Menoyo (ella de Nochistan) , Dorotea es hija de Jose Antonio Martin y Francisca

Ochoa y sus padres (Miguel Martin y Josefa De la Torre) y Salvador Manuel de Ochoa y Ana Martin (11 may 1772 en las cruces) .

Estamos en contacto.. pronto subiré lo que tengo de los Reynoso Saludos Leticia R.
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15 years 1 month ago

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cosme de la Villa Bugarin
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Gus:

I have not seen the marriage record of Cosme and Maria, so I don't know if it mentions the birthplace of Cosme or not. It may be worth ordering the record from Salt Lake to see if it does.

It is an interest conjecture to make that both parties would be from Galicia.

As you know the couple was married on 6 Jan 1676 in the Asuncion parrish, Mexico, Distrito Federal, MEXICO. The marriage is on Film 35269.

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16 years 2 months ago

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Greetings to All.

I’m looking for information on Maria Bonificia Sarmento originaria de Sayula, Jalisco. She married Jose Antonio Aguilar on the 4 Jul 1796 in Tonila, Jalisco. Her parents were Juan Sn. Pedro Sarmiento and Maria Guadalupe Garcia both originarios de Sayula Jalisco. I would appreciate any information you might
have on this family.

Saludos,

Carlos Yturralde

P.S. Arturo, thank you.

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15 years 11 months ago

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Hello all,

My name is Christopher Barrios de Leon. My family is from two or three haciendas (San Jose de Llanetes, San Antonio de Sauceda, and San Mateo) between Fresnillo and Valparaiso. They came to the US around the early 1900's. They stopped in Vaughn, New Mexico, Flagstaff, Arizona, and Silver City, Utah. Some of the familia moved to Blackwell, Oklahoma and some went to Michigan.

I am looking for the parents of my ggggrandmother, Urzina Hernandez. She was probably born in the 1830's or 1840's as she is the second wife of Cayetano Borjon who was born in abt 1825. I am related to the following families from this area: Borjons, Rincons, de Leons, Guererros, Ricos, Montellanos, Betancourts, Arias',Mesas,Lunas, Garcias, Mergils, Buenos, Magallanes',Amaros, Gonzalez',Hernandez',Carrillos, Laras, Villavencencios, Amayas, Santos',Margils,Buenos,Magallanes, Amaros, Gonzales,Hernandez,and last but not least Barrios'. I thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

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Martha Gomez

15 years 10 months ago

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Hola, a todos ,

estoy buscando informacion de mi tatarabuelo se llamaba LAZARO LUCIA . nacio en ciudad guzman jalisco y se caso con MARIA JOSEFA HERNANDEZ. Aprosimadamente en 1828

Tambien busco de JUAN ANDRES SALOME JALOMO se caso con MARIA JULIANA aproximadamente en 1772 en ciudad

Guzman Jalisco.

si alguien sabe por favor contestenme.

Martha Gomez.

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15 years 9 months ago

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Hello!
I am researching my family names, Valades and Marchan, all from Aguascalientes.So far, this is what I have found: 
 
1.Great-Great-Great Grandfather, Juan De Dios Marchan (unknown date of birth/death) married Maria Marcellina Gonzalez (unknown date of birth/death) in Aguascalientes.
2 July 5, 1790: Juan & Marcellina had daughter, Ciriaca Paula Marchan baptized at Nuestra Senora De Belen in Aguascalientes.More than likely, this would also have been her date of birth. (Source: FamilySearch).
3.Unknown date: Ciriaca married Manuel Valades.
4.Unknown date: Manuel & Ciraca had son,Guillermo Valades in Aguas.
5.Unknown date: Guillermo married Maria Del Refugio Cruz in Aguas.Had 2 sons, Geronimo & Telesforo..
6.Oct. 1, 1859: Geronimo Valades Cruz was born. Baptized at El Senor Del Encino Church.(Source: FamilySearch)
   Jan 5, 1866: Telesforo Valades Cruz  was born.He was  baptized at El Senor Del Encino Church in Aguas. on same day. (Source: Have copy of baptismal certificate.)
8.1899: Telesforo married Rafaela Hernandez (b 10-24-1893, d 11-9-1969). Telesforo & Rafaela had 4 children. One was my mother.
 
Trying to find relatives of Geronimo. According to my mother, my grandfather, Telesforo, ran away from his home in Mexico around 1874 and lost all contact with his family and brother.
 
If anyone has any information on any of the above relatives, please let me know. Any information would be appreciated. . Thank you!
 
 
 
 

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15 years 6 months ago

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Hi! My name is Dolores.  First thank you for accepting my application.  We basically found our direct line on my father's father's side, but we are interested in finding any extended family.  We are looking for information of the brothers and sisters of Jose Maria Resendez from Zacatecas  we do know he had two boys Agustin and Manuel,but dont know if there were more.  Also any information on my moms side.  Family is from Rio Grande Zacatecas.  We only know of Maria Fanco and two of her children Pabla and Juan Castanon.  My mom said they kidnapped my grandmother Engracia Castanon born 04-16-1908 from her mother Concepcion Orosco (Juan is her father) when she was about 6 months old and brought her to the U.S. Both sides of my family ended up in El Paso, Texas.  Thank you for your time, and I look forward to enjoying the group.   http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18256

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15 years 6 months ago

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Hi Dolores,
 
I'm a Castanon who's ancestors were from Jerez, Zacatecas.  I don't recognize the names but will keep watch..
 
Linda Castanon-Long in Boulder City, NV

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 5:54 PM

Hi! My name is Dolores.  First thank you for accepting my application.  We basically found our direct line on my father's father's side, but we are interested in finding any extended family.  We are looking for information of the brothers and sisters of Jose Maria Resendez from Zacatecas  we do know he had two boys Agustin and Manuel,but dont know if there were more.  Also any information on my moms side.  Family is from Rio Grande Zacatecas.  We only know of Maria Fanco and two of her children Pabla and Juan Castanon.  My mom said they kidnapped my grandmother Engracia Castanon born 04-16-1908 from her mother Concepcion Orosco (Juan is her father) when she was about 6 months old and brought her to the U.S. Both sides of my family ended up in El Paso, Texas.  Thank you for your time, and I look forward to enjoying the group.   http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18256

     

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Dolores, almost forgot, when you are checking for Resendez also check the spelling as Recendes and Recendez, that's how it reads in my records for that surname in Zacatecas and Jalisco... just a thought
 
Linda

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From: D R
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
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Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 5:54 PM

Hi! My name is Dolores.  First thank you for accepting my application.  We basically found our direct line on my father's father's side, but we are interested in finding any extended family.  We are looking for information of the brothers and sisters of Jose Maria Resendez from Zacatecas  we do know he had two boys Agustin and Manuel,but dont know if there were more.  Also any information on my moms side.  Family is from Rio Grande Zacatecas.  We only know of Maria Fanco and two of her children Pabla and Juan Castanon.  My mom said they kidnapped my grandmother Engracia Castanon born 04-16-1908 from her mother Concepcion Orosco (Juan is her father) when she was about 6 months old and brought her to the U.S. Both sides of my family ended up in El Paso, Texas.  Thank you for your time, and I look forward to enjoying the group.   http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18256

     

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snavarro

15 years 5 months ago

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Hello everyone,
It is time to introduce myself, my name is Saul Navarro and I have been researching my family tree for half a year. The places of my research include Nochistlan, Toyahua, Moyahua, Juchipila, all in Zacatecas, Mexticacan, LLano Grande, Jahualica,in Jalisco. The last names in my research include Navarro, Garcia, Gutierrez, Mejia, Mexia, Megia, Quesada, Perez, Roque, Florez, Chavez, Leonardo, Guzman, Donato, Leon, Legaspi, Arambulo, Gonzalez, Vasquez, Yniguez, Estrada, Rios, De Campa, Zepulbeda, Rivera. I have more relatives that lived in Nochistlan Zacatecas than elsewhere, so the bulk of my search is there. My paternal grandfather was Jose Anastacio Navarro Perez baptized on the 02 Apr. 1893, born in Toyahua.
He was married to Ma Catalina Garcia Gutierrez (date unknown), her parents were Presciliano Garcia Quesada bapt.(06 Jan 1867) married on (10 Jan. 1887) to Macedonia Gutierrez Perez bapt.(13 Sept 1867)in Mexticacan Jal. My g-grandfather was Jose Tomas Navarro Mejia bapt.on (22 Dec 1867) married to Maria Andrea Perez Chavez bapt.(02 Dec. 1868)in Nochistlan unknown date of marriage. My gg-grandfther was Jose Bartolome Navarro Roque bapt. (29 Aug.1841) married on (07 Feb. 1865) to Maria Dionicia Mejia Florez bapt. (18 Apr. 1852) in Nochistlan. Dionicia's parents were Pio Mejia Guzman and Maria Socorro Florez Donato unknown Bapt., marriage dates. My ggg-grandfather was Cirilo Navarro Perez (no date) married to Maria Yrinea Roque Leonardo(no bapt. date) on the 02 of May 1838 in Nochistlan Zac. My gggg-grandfather was Rafael Navarro (date unknown) married to Maria Catalina Perez (date unknown). I have the names of all my sixteen paternal grandparents but no
dates of bapt. just that my gggg-grandfather Jose Pablo Perez married Maria Ysabel Legaspi on the 31 May 1823 in Nochistlan Zac. I have names and bapt dates for their children. On the maternal side of my family tree is my grandfather Lorenzo Arambulo Born in el Llano Grande Jalisco, he married (date unknown) Maria Sabas Vasquez bapt. (12 Dec 1897). My grandmother's parents were Pablo Vasquez (date unknown) married to Gregoria Yniguez (date unknown)and that is all I know about them. My g-grandfather is Jose Blas Arambula Estrada bapt. (07 Feb. 1865) married (date unknown) to Diega Gonzalez Garcia bapt. (14 Nov 1873) my guess is in Nochistlan. My gg-grandfather was Francisco Arambula (date unknown) married on (25 Nov.1863) to Maria Victoria Estrada (date unknown). My g-grandmother Diega's parents were Lazaro Gonzales Mexia (date unknown) married on (13 Feb 1863) to Maria Del Refugio Garcia Rios (date unknown). Ma. Refugio's parents were Antonio Garcia and
Tomasa Rios no dates. Lazaro's parents were Jose Simon Gonzales Campa married on (27 Jan. 1836) to Maria De La Cruz Mexia Zepulbeda bapt. date (16 Sept 1816) in Nochistlan Zac. Maria De la Cruz's parents were Rafael Mexia Rivera (date unknown) married on (27 Jul. 1815)to Maria De Jesus Zepulbeda (date unknown)in Nochistlan. Jose Simon's parents were Jose Dionicio Gonzales (date unknown) married on (26 Aug. 1807) to Maria Anastacia De La Campa (unknown) in Nochistlan Zac. Rafael's Parents were Pedro Megia (date unknown) married on (22 May. 1774)in Nochistlan to Petra Rivera (date unknown) Last are the parents of Maria De Jesus Zepulbeda and they were Francisco Zepulbeda married to Ana maria Perez and no dates. I hope that this is enough information for my primos to recognize the family line.
If anyone can help with the missing dates that would be much appreciated.
Thankyou
Saul Navarro

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Martha Gomez

15 years 3 months ago

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Lety, pues yo pense que tu esposo es el que dice xalos 68 porque parece que tu lo pusiste cuando me escribiste.

pero bueno he estado viendo el archivo de tu esposo y tiene todos los apellidos que to tengo incluso

Franco, Navarro, Ochoa . pero yo tengo otros nombres tambien tengo a una petra ochoa te voy a mandar mi paf para que lo vea tu esposos ok?

entonces tu eres miembro de la iglesia verdad.? yo tambien y tambien estoy como voluntaria indexando bueno mas bien soy arbitraria.

y tambien sabes de la nueva pagina de la iglesia New family search?

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siriuslr

15 years 3 months ago

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mgomez

Seria padre ver que ramas los unen , no yo no soy miembro de la iglesia pero admiro todo su labor, como no soy miembro no pudo accesar al new family search...y en lo que pueda cooperar..aunque te digo que no me puedo desplazar mucho porque tengo hijos chicos...saludos!

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Martha Gomez

15 years 3 months ago

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mgomez

Con razon no tienes mucha informacion , como son lugares y fechas pero con solo los nombres que tienes metelos en la pagina que sale de pilot

osea en la forma y tu veras como te va a salir muchisima informacion por el internet si no sabes yo te digo . tambien puedes mirar hoja por hoja del censo de 1930 de cualquier estado de la republica mexicana. y ayer te emvie el paf lo recibiste ? para que lo vea tu esposo.
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mgomez

Seria padre ver que ramas los unen , no yo no soy miembro de la iglesia pero admiro todo su labor, como no soy miembro no pudo accesar al new family search...y en lo que pueda cooperar..aunque te digo que no me puedo desplazar mucho porque tengo hijos chicos...saludos!
 
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siriuslr

15 years 3 months ago

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FW: mgomez

No,.. no me llegó tu paf, mándamelo porfa a mi correo directo porque cuando los subes al grupo no te mandan el archivo adjunto....y uy yo intercambié información con Alessandro hace un par de años..que padrs que en esta marcha ahí nos vamos encontrando..saludos, voy a hacer eso que me dices del family a ver que encuentro..gracias Lety

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barb9736

15 years 3 months ago

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Hi,

My name is Barbara Guerrero & I am researching the Guerrero surname, particularly that of my maternal grandfather.

His name was Nicolas Valdez Guerrero. He was born 26 January 1898. His family lived in Guadalajara but he was born in Yahualica.
He married my grandmother Rita Quijada in 1917. They lived in Superior, Arizona where he worked for the Magma Copper Co until his death in 1953. I want to find information on his parents & his siblings.
His father's name was Jesus Guerrero.

I have searched records provided by Family Search & the Family History Center in Tucson but I have not been able to find any information so far.

This is all the information I have so any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Barbara Guerrero

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rudy flores

15 years 3 months ago

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Hello Barbara -
 
It would help to know where he married your mother, as well.
 
Rudy

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From: Barbara Guerrero
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
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Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:43 AM

Hi,

My name is Barbara Guerrero & I am researching the Guerrero surname, particularly that of my maternal grandfather.

His name was Nicolas Valdez Guerrero. He was born 26 January 1898. His family lived in Guadalajara but he was born in Yahualica.
He married my grandmother Rita Quijada in 1917. They lived in  Superior, Arizona where he worked for the Magma Copper Co until his death in 1953. I want to find information on his parents & his siblings.
His father's name was Jesus Guerrero.

I have searched records provided by Family Search & the Family History Center in Tucson but I have not been able to find any information so far.

This is all the information I have so any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Barbara Guerrero

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1890rubio

15 years 3 months ago

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Thanks for giving me the oportunity of being a part of nuestros ranchos.I am very eager to start with my search for information of my ancestors .I have a very intresting true story to share ,first of all my name is Francisco Rubio ,I was born in 1970 when i was born my father was 80 years of age ,there are three brothers total born of my mother Amparo Rodriguez and my father Jesus Rubio my father was born in 1890 in EX-hacienda De San Pedro ,Huanusco,Zacatecas .I know for a fact that His Father my grandfather's name is Don Juan Antonio Rubio born in 1850 in Calvillo ,Aguascalientes .Can anyone give me more information about Juan Antonio Rubio an Administrador of La Hacienda de La luz,Huanusco,and My deceased father Jesus Rubio Flores who was a Presidente Municipal of Tabasco ,Zacatecas in 1938-1939 and any information of the Rubio families from that part of the region.Thanks

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13 years 5 months ago

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FELIX MUNOZ GUERRERO
Pues mi bisabuelo nacio en el salitre cerca de Tlachichila y lo bautizaron en Nochistlan, era Jose Felix Macias Hernandez ( Macias Hernandez)

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Laura Gonzalez

10 years 2 months ago

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Llamas Family

Just came across this old post. I'm a descendent of Nicolas Llamas and Magdalena Robles, parents of Maria de la Rosa Llamas. Always good to find some connections.

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10 years 2 months ago

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Llamas Family

Which state in Mexico? My Llamas are from the Jerez, Zacatecas., and it was in the very early 1700s. Marge Vallazza. PM me if you think we have a family connection.

mayangrl@sonic.net wrote:
>Just came across this old post. I'm a descendent of Nicolas Llamas and
>Magdalena Robles, parents of Maria de la Rosa Llamas. Always good to find
>some connections.
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mexicanfhr

15 years 6 months ago

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Dolores

Dolores,

I would suggest, trying trying the FamilySearch Record Search page (pilot). I have been able to piece together Family tree on both sides of your family.

Fourth Generation

8. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 17 Jun 1920 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 18 Jun 1920. Manuel married Piedad Nunez.
9. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880 in Mexico. She died on 5 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 8 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1897.
M ii. Francisco Resendez was born in 1899.
M iii. Jesus Resendez was born in 1903.
M iv. Antonio Resendez was born on 26 Nov 1905. He died on 22 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 24 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Salvador Resendez was born in 1908.
M vi. Juan Bautista Resendez was born on 7 Nov 1911 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 30 Aug 1912 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 31 Aug 1912.
+ 4 M vii. Raymundo Resendez was born on 24 Aug 1912. He died on 16 Dec 1942.
F viii. Mary Resendez was born in 1915.
10. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884 in Mexico. He died on 31 Jan 1952 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 1 Feb 1952 in El Paso, Texas, USA. Guillermo married Delfina Aguilar.
11. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889 in Chihuahua, Mexico. She died on 5 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Lorenzo Cordova was born about 1907.
F ii. Midra Cordova was born on 15 May 1911 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 7 Apr 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Apr 1913.
+ 5 F iii. Manuela Cordova was born on 10 Jun 1913. She died on 24 Nov 1948.
F iv. Flora Cordova was born on 22 Mar 1915 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 17 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 20 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Guillermo Cordova was born about 1917.
F vi. Ignacia Cordova was born on 31 Jul 1919 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 25 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 28 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M vii. Santiago Cordova was born about 1921.
M viii. Juan Cordova was born about 1924.
F ix. Juanita Cordova was born on 12 Mar 1928 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
12. Ancelmo Guerrero was born in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died in 1906 in El Paso, Texas. Ancelmo married Paula Martinez Ibarra.
13. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844 in Mexico. She was christened in Sonora, Mexico. She died on 9 Aug 1930 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 11 Aug 1930.
They had the following children.
M i. Donaciano Guerrero was born on 24 May 1887 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 10 Oct 1943 in Cochise, Arizona, United States.
F ii. Casimiro Guerrero was born in about 1891 in Mexico.
F iii. Altagracia ( Twin ) Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iv. Benito Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 22 Jan 1962 in Silver City, Grant, New Mexico, United States.
M v. Anselmo II Guerrero was born on 4 Jun 1899 in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 14 Oct 1993 in Odessa, Ector, Texas, United States.
+ 6 M vi. Luz J Guerrero was born on 4 Jan 1900. He died on 21 Nov 1973.
14. Juan Castanon. Juan married Concepcion Orosco.
15. Concepcion Orosco.
They had the following children.
+ 7 F i. Engracia Castanon was born on 16 Apr 1910. She died on 4 Oct 1950.

Fifth Generation

16. Jose Maria Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Jose married Maria de los Angeles Resendez.
17. Maria de los Angeles Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 8 M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864. He died on 17 Jun 1920.
M ii. Agustin Resendez.
19. Exequia Nunez.
She had the following children.
+ 9 F i. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880. She died on 5 Sep 1965.
20. Manuel Cordova Apodaca. Manuel married Petra Lopez.
21. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873 in Mexico. She died on 1 May 1928 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 2 May 1928.
They had the following children.
F i. Mra Eulalia de la Luz Cordova was christened on 28 Dec 1869 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M ii. Estanislado Miguel De Jesus Cordova Lopes was christened on 12 May 1874 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iii. Manuela Cordova Lopez was born in 1879 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 20 Feb 1927 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 22 Feb 1927.
F iv. ... Maria ... Cordova was christened in Feb 1880 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 10 M v. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884. He died on 31 Jan 1952.
F vi. Maria del Refugio Cordova was christened on 8 Apr 1888 in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vii. Maria Juana Cordova was christened on 11 Mar 1893 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
22. Jose Inez Aguilar. Jose married Zenono Gutierrez.
23. Zenono Gutierrez.
They had the following children.
M i. Juan Aguilar was born on 24 Jun 1886 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 17 Jul 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 17 Jul 1913.
+ 11 F ii. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889. She died on 5 Dec 1972.
26. Julia Martinez was born in Mexico. Julia married Dionicia Ybarra.
27. Dionicia Ybarra was born in Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 13 F i. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844. She died on 9 Aug 1930.
28. Pedro Castanon. Pedro married Maria Franco.
29. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874 in Mexico. She died on 16 Oct 1951 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 18 Oct 1951 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
+ 14 M i. Juan Castanon.
F ii. Pabla Castanon was born on 25 Jan 1888 in Mexico. She died on 27 Feb 1976 in El Paso, Texas, USA.

Sixth Generation

40. Jose Miguel Gregorio Cordoba Garsia was christened on 9 May 1808 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. Jose married Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara on 27 Feb 1832 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
41. Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara was christened on 29 Dec 1809 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 20 M i. Manuel Cordova Apodaca.
F ii. Mra . Gertrudis Refugio Cordova Apodaca was christened on 16 Nov 1840 in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe, Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F iii. Maria Teofila Nicanora Cordoba Apodaca was christened on 10 Jan 1843 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
42. Miguel Lopez. Miguel married Maria Cordova.
43. Maria Cordova.
They had the following children.
+ 21 F i. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873. She died on 1 May 1928.
58. Seferino Franco. Seferino married Seferina Ortiz.
59. Seferina Ortiz.
They had the following children.
+ 29 F i. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874. She died on 16 Oct 1951.

Seventh Generation

80. Jose Maria Cordoba. Jose married Maria Josefa Garcia de Noriega on 14 Jun 1802 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
81. Maria Josefa Garcia de Noriega.
They had the following children.
F i. Maria Josefa Guadalupe Cordoba Garcia was christened on 25 Mar 1803 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F ii. Maria Josefa Yanuaria Cordoba Garcia was christened on 20 Sep 1804 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iii. Jose de Jesus Benigno Cordova Garsia was christened on 14 Feb 1806 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 40 M iv. Jose Miguel Gregorio Cordoba Garsia was christened on 9 May 1808.
F v. Ma. Franca. Tomasa Cordoba Garsia was christened on 18 Sep 1809 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vi. Ma. Trenidad Josefa de La Cruz Cordoba Garcia was christened on 15 Sep 1810 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vii. Ma. Guadalupe Josefa Cordoba Garcia was christened on 3 Feb 1812 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
82. Ramon Ynocencio Apodaca. Ramon married Maria Guadalupe Nino Ladron de Guevara on 6 Nov 1804 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
83. Maria Guadalupe Nino Ladron de Guevara.
They had the following children.
F i. Josefa Gorgoria Apodaca Guevara was christened on 12 Sep 1805 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M ii. Jose Rosalio Apodaca Guebara was christened on 3 Sep 1807 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 41 F iii. Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara was christened on 29 Dec 1809.
M iv. Jose Antonio Marcelo Apodaca Guebara was christened on 21 Feb 1812 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M v. Jose Onofre Basilio Apodaca Guebara was christened on 26 Jun 1815 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M vi. Jose Ramon Apodaca Guevara was christened in Mar 1820 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M vii. Jose Julian Apodaca Guevara was christened on 14 Feb 1823 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.

I hope that this helps.

Jonathan

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Martha Gomez

15 years 1 month ago

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Hola, Juan Ramon,

Nos venimos a vivir a Utah porque mi esposo y yo veniamos de vacaciones , y nos gustaba la tranquilidad de este lugar, despues nuestras hijas crecieron y ya no queriamos que ellas siguieran en California porque pensamos que este era un buen lugar para que ellas crecieran  venian de 10,8, y un anio. asi que ahora tienen 16, 14, y 8 y este lugar es muy pacifico la gente aqui es buena ( bueno aunque hay de todo) pero nuestros vecinos son buenos y amables. a mi siempre me gusto estar en contacto con la naturaleza, asi que en este lugar tu puedes ver las montanas , el cielo azul,  la nieve cuando es temporada, puedes ver venados, vacas, caballos, gallinas , aveztruces , patos, borregos, y asi toda clase de animales, y tambien mi esposo se va a pescar  a un rio que esta muy cerquita de la casa. asi que por eso me gusta este lugar, y porque mis hijas crecieron y espero que asi

sigan de una manera muy sana.

yo soy de Mexico, naci en Guadalajara jalisco, mis antepasados son de tepatitlan jalisco,  Acatic, Colima y Cd. Guzman

y bueno en realidad tu vives muy cerquita de donde viviamos nosotros.

bueno me despido.

Martha

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Juan Ramon Alvarez

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Gracias María

Oye pues tenemos algo en común, yo soy de Mezcala municipio de Tepatitlán. Solo un cerro divide a Mezcala de Acatic.

Que bonito que disfrutes la naturaleza como dices que lo hacen en Utah.

¿Ya te hiciste mormona?

Una abrazo

Juan Ramón Alvarez

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Hola, Juan Ramon,

Nos venimos a vivir a Utah porque mi esposo y yo veniamos de vacaciones , y nos gustaba la tranquilidad de este lugar, despues nuestras hijas crecieron y ya no queriamos que ellas siguieran en California porque pensamos que este era un buen lugar para que ellas crecieran  venian de 10,8, y un anio. asi que ahora tienen 16, 14, y 8 y este lugar es muy pacifico la gente aqui es buena ( bueno aunque hay de todo) pero nuestros vecinos son buenos y amables. a mi siempre me gusto estar en contacto con la naturaleza, asi que en este lugar tu puedes ver las montanas , el cielo azul,  la nieve cuando es temporada, puedes ver venados, vacas, caballos, gallinas , aveztruces , patos, borregos, y asi toda clase de animales, y tambien mi esposo se va a pescar  a un rio que esta muy cerquita de la casa. asi que por eso me gusta este lugar, y porque mis hijas crecieron y espero que asi

sigan de una manera muy sana.

yo soy de Mexico, naci en Guadalajara jalisco, mis antepasados son de tepatitlan jalisco,  Acatic, Colima y Cd. Guzman

y bueno en realidad tu vives muy cerquita de donde viviamos nosotros.

bueno me despido.

Martha

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Ramirez

15 years 1 month ago

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El Cerro de la Campana es el que divide Mezcala de Acatic. Del rancho de mi papá se ve Mezcala pues está en las faldas del Cerro de la Campana.

Mis padres y abuelos son de Tepatitlán, así como mis bisabuelos excepto Ruperto Díaz de Luna del rancho La Vaquería de Jalostotitlán. La mayoría de mis ancestros están entre Tepatitlán, Jalostotitlán, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, y años mas atrás de Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Ayo el Chico, Nochistlán, Michoacán y Durango.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
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Martha Gomez

15 years 1 month ago

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(no subject)Juan Ramon

Hola, Juan Ramon ,

Por Parte de mi mama toda su familia materna es de Acatic Jalisco y paterna es de Tepatitlan . y si , ya me hize mormona hace como 16 anos. cuando vivia en California.

Saludos.

Martha Gomez
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Gracias María

Oye pues tenemos algo en común, yo soy de Mezcala municipio de Tepatitlán. Solo un cerro divide a Mezcala de Acatic.

Que bonito que disfrutes la naturaleza como dices que lo hacen en Utah.

¿Ya te hiciste mormona?

Una abrazo

Juan Ramón Alvarez

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Hola, Juan Ramon,

Nos venimos a vivir a Utah porque mi esposo y yo veniamos de vacaciones , y nos gustaba la tranquilidad de este lugar, despues nuestras hijas crecieron y ya no queriamos que ellas siguieran en California porque pensamos que este era un buen lugar para que ellas crecieran  venian de 10,8, y un anio. asi que ahora tienen 16, 14, y 8 y este lugar es muy pacifico la gente aqui es buena ( bueno aunque hay de todo) pero nuestros vecinos son buenos y amables. a mi siempre me gusto estar en contacto con la naturaleza, asi que en este lugar tu puedes ver las montanas , el cielo azul,  la nieve cuando es temporada, puedes ver venados, vacas, caballos, gallinas , aveztruces , patos, borregos, y asi toda clase de animales, y tambien mi esposo se va a pescar  a un rio que esta muy cerquita de la casa. asi que por eso me gusta este lugar, y porque mis hijas crecieron y espero que asi

sigan de una manera muy sana.

yo soy de Mexico, naci en Guadalajara jalisco, mis antepasados son de tepatitlan jalisco,  Acatic, Colima y Cd. Guzman

y bueno en realidad tu vives muy cerquita de donde viviamos nosotros.

bueno me despido.

Martha

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Ken Tejeda

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> Joseph, my name is Kenneth Tejeda, and I am very interested in researching the Tejeda name as our roots are from Jalisco, Mexico. I currently live in Agoura, California and have been trying to trace our family name for many years. My grandfather was born in Michocanejo, Jalisco in the early 1900's. His name was Jesus Tejeda, and his father(Toribio) and Grandfather (Juan) were also born in Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo. I visited Michoacanejo in 1980, and stayed with Teresa Delgadillo for 2-3 days. I had a chance to speak briefly with Ignacio (?) Tejeda while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to go down to the church (Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores) in Teocaltiche during my visit to further research our family name. Que lastima!! My great aunt, Delores Tejeda, who was also born in Michoacanejo (she was the younger sister of my grandfather Jesus) helped set up my trip down to Jalisco in 1980.

I look forward to researching the Tejeda name and Roots in the Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo area of Jalisco. I assume many of the records would be in Teocaltiche at the famous Iglesia - Nuesta Senora de Los Delores - Our trail leads to Juan Tejeda, father of Toribio Tejeda, who lived in Michoacanejo. Juan, is the Great grandfather of my father, Rennie Tejeda. We seem to have questions / be stuck regarding the birth of Juan Tejeda as to when and where.

Muchas Gracias,

Senor Ken Tejeda
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mendezdetorres

15 years 1 month ago

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Welcome Ken,m I also have Tejedas from Teocaltiche-Ojuelos area but in the1700s, would be neat if were related.
Daniel

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> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:06:53 -0700
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
>> Joseph, my name is Kenneth Tejeda, and I am very interested in researching the Tejeda name as our roots are from Jalisco, Mexico. I currently live in Agoura, California and have been trying to trace our family name for many years. My grandfather was born in Michocanejo, Jalisco in the early 1900's. His name was Jesus Tejeda, and his father(Toribio) and Grandfather (Juan) were also born in Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo. I visited Michoacanejo in 1980, and stayed with Teresa Delgadillo for 2-3 days. I had a chance to speak briefly with Ignacio (?) Tejeda while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to go down to the church (Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores) in Teocaltiche during my visit to further research our family name. Que lastima!! My great aunt, Delores Tejeda, who was also born in Michoacanejo (she was the younger sister of my grandfather Jesus) helped set up my trip down to Jalisco in 1980.
>
> I look forward to researching the Tejeda name and Roots in the Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo area of Jalisco. I assume many of the records would be in Teocaltiche at the famous Iglesia - Nuesta Senora de Los Delores - Our trail leads to Juan Tejeda, father of Toribio Tejeda, who lived in Michoacanejo. Juan, is the Great grandfather of my father, Rennie Tejeda. We seem to have questions / be stuck regarding the birth of Juan Tejeda as to when and where.
>
> Muchas Gracias,
>
> Senor Ken Tejeda
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15 years 1 month ago

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Like Daniel, my tejeda is from teocaltiche and in the 1700's. She travels to jalos and leaves family there.
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Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:06:53
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

> Joseph, my name is Kenneth Tejeda, and I am very interested in researching the Tejeda name as our roots are from Jalisco, Mexico. I currently live in Agoura, California and have been trying to trace our family name for many years. My grandfather was born in Michocanejo, Jalisco in the early 1900's. His name was Jesus Tejeda, and his father(Toribio) and Grandfather (Juan) were also born in Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo. I visited Michoacanejo in 1980, and stayed with Teresa Delgadillo for 2-3 days. I had a chance to speak briefly with Ignacio (?) Tejeda while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to go down to the church (Nuestra Senora de Los Dolores) in Teocaltiche during my visit to further research our family name. Que lastima!! My great aunt, Delores Tejeda, who was also born in Michoacanejo (she was the younger sister of my grandfather Jesus) helped set up my trip down to Jalisco in 1980.

I look forward to researching the Tejeda name and Roots in the Teocaltiche / Michoacanejo area of Jalisco. I assume many of the records would be in Teocaltiche at the famous Iglesia - Nuesta Senora de Los Delores - Our trail leads to Juan Tejeda, father of Toribio Tejeda, who lived in Michoacanejo. Juan, is the Great grandfather of my father, Rennie Tejeda. We seem to have questions / be stuck regarding the birth of Juan Tejeda as to when and where.

Muchas Gracias,

Senor Ken Tejeda
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alicebb

14 years 11 months ago

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Dear Group,
What is the recommended course of action?
I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation.  I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case. 
On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta  Minchaca.  I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered. 
Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza". 
Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia".  Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza?  That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.  
How do I handle this?  For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames?  And won't that cause problems later?      Thanks so much for your expertise and help,   Alice

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14 years 11 months ago

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One of my ancestors with the last name marin comes up with one record with her name listed as Martin. None of her ancestors (all lines) for 200 years are Martin so the priest most likely made a mistake when he should have written Marin.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:19
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Dear Group,
What is the recommended course of action?
I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation.  I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case. 
On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta  Minchaca.  I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered. 
Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza". 
Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia".  Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza?  That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.  
How do I handle this?  For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames?  And won't that cause problems later?      Thanks so much for your expertise and help,   Alice

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mendezdetorres

14 years 11 months ago

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I would just combine the names and put them together, since they were interchangeable.

So put your ancestor as X Garcia Garza or Garza Garcia whatever you feel.

I also have this issues when woman and some men use their maternal name and perfer it,

Ill just put a note on the indivudual and hange their name to the one they used. So in mydatabase

if a Joseph Luna married MAria Gonzalez and their faughter Ana used Garcia after the paternal grandmother

in my database shell be listed as Ana Garcia not Ana Luna. These are always tricky and we have to

be careful with documentation. IThey also help identify ancestry. When men do this it is also very

interesting especially with the Guerra family of Los Altos, a perfect example of Alonso Guerra Valadez

who used his maternal grandfather's name since he had no sons of his own.

Once women have 4 or 5 names they used thats when it gets complicated, cant help you there :)

but I just make quick note of al that

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:01:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> One of my ancestors with the last name marin comes up with one record with her name listed as Martin. None of her ancestors (all lines) for 200 years are Martin so the priest most likely made a mistake when he should have written Marin.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alice Blake
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:19
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> Dear Group,
> What is the recommended course of action?
> I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation. I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case.
> On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta Minchaca. I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered.
> Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza".
> Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia". Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza? That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.
> How do I handle this? For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames? And won't that cause problems later? Thanks so much for your expertise and help, Alice

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alicebb

14 years 11 months ago

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Thanks to all for your input. 
What I gather is:
Unlike today, at that point in time in Mexico, the names were interchangeable.  I wonder if the same existed at the same time in Spain?
Of course, note both names for my records.  And if indeed the names were interchangeable, I should see more of the same.  I was just afraid, picking one or the other would lead me on the wrong track. 
Thanks again for all your help.    Alice
 
 
- On Mon, 7/19/10, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:12 AM

I would just combine the names and put them together, since they were interchangeable.

So put your ancestor as X Garcia Garza or Garza Garcia whatever you feel.

I also have this issues when woman and some men use their maternal name and perfer it,

Ill just put a note on the indivudual and hange their name to the one they used. So in mydatabase

if a Joseph Luna married MAria Gonzalez and their faughter Ana used Garcia after the paternal grandmother

in my database shell be listed as Ana Garcia not Ana Luna. These are always tricky and we have to

be careful with documentation. IThey also help identify ancestry. When men do this it is also very

interesting especially with the Guerra family of Los Altos, a perfect example of Alonso Guerra Valadez

who used his maternal grandfather's name since he had no sons of his own.

Once women have 4 or 5 names they used thats when it gets complicated, cant help you there :)

but I just make quick note of al that

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:01:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> One of my ancestors with the last name marin comes up with one record with her name listed as Martin. None of her ancestors (all lines) for 200 years are Martin so the priest most likely made a mistake when he should have written Marin.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alice Blake
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:19
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> Dear Group,
> What is the recommended course of action?
> I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation.  I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case. 
> On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta  Minchaca.  I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered. 
> Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza". 
> Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia".  Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza?  That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.   
> How do I handle this?  For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames?  And won't that cause problems later?      Thanks so much for your expertise and help,   Alice

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R.A.Ricci (not verified)

14 years 11 months ago

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It was worse in parts of spain and parts of italy. It was a jewish tradition that the first child used the father's surname and the succeeding children used a grandparents and greatgrandparents in a certain order. If a child died sometimes the order was thrown off. Sometimes the child would change the last name when they came of age. Also the last name changes in some families due to a nickname or they moved from one area to another and the person took the original area where they were from as a last name. Sometimes they had to take a certain last name in order to claim an inheritance. The Salcedos took the maternal grandparents name in order to claim the inheritance and they were obligated to continue the salcedo line. The last name sometimes was the father's first name, grandparent's name, in the case of the Enriquez the name was taken to honor their uncle king enrique II of castilla. Sometimes it was the name of the town or region and other times if your were the count of various areas then sometimes they shortened it and used it as your last name. Sometimes the name is often attached to another name. The Martel were often Known as Perez Martel.
Sometimes a big event in your life changed what you used as your last name.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:28:13
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Thanks to all for your input. 
What I gather is:
Unlike today, at that point in time in Mexico, the names were interchangeable.  I wonder if the same existed at the same time in Spain?
Of course, note both names for my records.  And if indeed the names were interchangeable, I should see more of the same.  I was just afraid, picking one or the other would lead me on the wrong track. 
Thanks again for all your help.    Alice
 
 
- On Mon, 7/19/10, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:12 AM

I would just combine the names and put them together, since they were interchangeable.

So put your ancestor as X Garcia Garza or Garza Garcia whatever you feel.

I also have this issues when woman and some men use their maternal name and perfer it,

Ill just put a note on the indivudual and hange their name to the one they used. So in mydatabase

if a Joseph Luna married MAria Gonzalez and their faughter Ana used Garcia after the paternal grandmother

in my database shell be listed as Ana Garcia not Ana Luna. These are always tricky and we have to

be careful with documentation. IThey also help identify ancestry. When men do this it is also very

interesting especially with the Guerra family of Los Altos, a perfect example of Alonso Guerra Valadez

who used his maternal grandfather's name since he had no sons of his own.

Once women have 4 or 5 names they used thats when it gets complicated, cant help you there :)

but I just make quick note of al that

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:01:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> One of my ancestors with the last name marin comes up with one record with her name listed as Martin. None of her ancestors (all lines) for 200 years are Martin so the priest most likely made a mistake when he should have written Marin.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alice Blake
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:03:19
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> Dear Group,
> What is the recommended course of action?
> I'm accustomed to the regular changes in surname spelling, but recently I've come across the Garza/Garcia situation.  I've always considered these surnames to be distinctly different, but I'm not sure that in the past that was always the case. 
> On one 1715 IGI entry it states the parents as "Juan Garza or Garcia", and Jacinta  Minchaca.  I've viewed the actual entry and Garcia is clearly entered. 
> Two years later 1717, another child, same couple, same place, the father's name on the entry is clearly "Juan Garza". 
> Three years later, 1720, the IGI entry lists the baptismal name as "Pedro Garza or Garcia", and the father as "Juan Garza or Garcia".  Why did IGI enter Garza or Garcia if the actual document clearly reads Juan Garza?  That's why I'm asking if the names are interchangeable.   
> How do I handle this?  For my records I've entered it both ways, but aren't they two different surnames?  And won't that cause problems later?      Thanks so much for your expertise and help,   Alice

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robert mena

14 years 10 months ago

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"Hi, I'm researching de Mena, Gordoa, Gonzalez and Quiroz. These surnames come
from a triangular ranch area whose points are bordered by Lagos de Moreno
Jalisco on the northwest, Union de San Antonio, Jalisco on the southeast and
Leon, Guanajuato on the east. Specifically I'm mainly interested in my the
parents of Jose Antonio Guillermo de Mena and Maria de Jesus Quezada who were
born in this area about 1750. They had several boys who I know about. I'm
approximating that these two were married about 1772-1782 in Lagos de Moreno,
Jal.

Since many of the Mena clan were raised in Union de San Antonio, Jalisco and
Leon, Guanjuato, I'm speculating that my ancestors might have extended back in
this area first before I look elsewhere toward Guadalajara or Zacatecas between
1600's-1750's and possibly crossing into Spain sometime between 1500's and
1600's.since there was a great migration from Spain in this 150 yrs period.
Thank you in advance.
R Mena

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En la imagen de Mucio del Refugio (20 may 1829) Carrillo Suriano aparece como hijo de Encarnacion Carrillo y Germana Suriano nieto de Jose Maria Carrillo y Gertrudis Garcia
tepetongo, zacatecas y de Marcelo y Maria Muñoz
https://familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.or…

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Rafael Jauregui

14 years 1 month ago

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estoy tratando de encontrar los abuelos paternos de jose del refugio jauregui
yanez el nacio mas o menos por el 1800 i caso con maria casimira perez el 26 de
nobiembre de 1822 los padres de jose del refugio eran pioquinto jauregui i
dolores yanez cualquer informacion se agradesera
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http://folder.nicorporation.in/aotoday

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