I just wanted to ask the group, why are we doing genealogy? I have been asked ti give a talk about why we do genealogy? It has made me think, about why I started my genealogy about 30 years ago. And I just wanted to get, some more ideas or thoughts from the group members.

My grandmother's name was Paula/Pabla Ramos Mascorro.
She had 12 sisters. I only have the name of one sister, Longina/Lonjina Ramos Mascorro, christened on March 23 1863 in Ledesma, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico.

Hi Jonathan!
I wish I had started doing genealogy 30 years ago!!! :-) The reason I
do genealogy is probably a selfish one......I only have one
brother.....I come from a small family and always wanted a larger

I'm reading a book titled Rivers of Gold by Hugh Thomas about the Rise and Fall of the Spanish Empire, from Columbus to Magellan.

Chapter 4 begins with the Genoese or Italian explorers and the influence on the Spanish crown. During the early 15th Century the Genoese merchants were dominant in Mediterranean commerce. The Italians were very influential to the Spanish crown as there also happened to be a sitting Genoese Pope, Pope Innocent VIII. whose ancestry was purported to be Genoese on both sides of his family.

For Jonathan:

Why do I do genealogy? For my children and grandchildren, and for myself. Because I grew up with only one grandparent (the others had died long before I was born), there was always this troubling feeling of not knowing where we came from, and what made us what we are. The following two quotations explain this better than I can:

Found this in my notes and thought it might be of interest to the group:

Luis
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SIXTEENTH CENTURY INDIGENOUS JALISCO
by John P. Schmal © 2001

I made a table about the Mendoza family showing how they married into several prominant spanish families and the many surnames they created. I think it could help us look at the big picture. I've never knew how important this family was.

Okay folks. Sorry about the sloppy uploads. Joseph was kind enough to show me how exactly to upload my files to my folder only. I also took this opportunity to put together the rest of my great grandmothers pedigree trees. Please look through them and see if we can make a connection.

GALARZA LOPEZ Ma de Jesus.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2905

GARCIA DE LEON Ma Macedonia.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2906

MALDONADO CHAVEZ Matilde.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2907

PEDROZA ROMO Timotea Pedgree.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2908

ALBA CUEVA Elena.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2909

MOCTEZUMA Petrolina Pedigree.pdf
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2910

I have other loose trees in my database that I will also be posting soon. They include my surname along with other surnames that appear above. I have not been able to connect to them but hopefully they might help someone else.

ESPANOL: Favor de bajar y revicar estos archivos para ver si podemos acer una conexcion de familia. Tambien tengo otros troncos familiares sueltos con mi apellido y con diferentes apellidos que no e podido conectar a mi tronco familiar. Espero que esta informacion le pueda servir a alguien mas.

Rick,
Being from the "norte", where relatives have confirmed our Jewish legacy via
word of mouth, and verified later by DNA - I am very interested in how the
Jewish legacy might have continued in Los Altos, however guised.

Lately there has been a lot of activity on the list and when that
happens some start thinking of ways to minimize the amount of emails
received into their inbox. Well there are two options to consider -

Hi Everyone, I didn't see my first two posts here, I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. I did get a reply ( Gracias Jorge !) but have not seen my posts show up here...forgive me, I'm a rookie. First I'd like to thank Joseph for allowing me to join the site. My name is Robert Gonzalez, my area of research is Los Altos de Jalisco, specifically, Tepatitlan and "La Villa" San Jose De Basarte. My father and grandfather were born in La Villa \ SJB. My Great Grandfather, Gregorio Gonzalez is buried beneath the alter of the small church\ capilla there. I also have records of my great,great grandfather and some other family members but have hit a wall. Ultimatley I'd like to take my research all the way back to Spain to find out where my family line started. Names I'd like to research are Gonzalez, Casillas and Alonso. It seems that for at least two generations, the Gonzalez line married into the Casillas line. Any info on San Jose de Basarte would be greatly appreciated, I do have some minor info in regards to the history of La Villa but not enough to satisfy my curiosity. Thank you all, I look forward to sharing info with all of you, Robert Gonzalez ~

Nicolas Felix, nacido 1615 en Jerez, casado con Franca. Peralta Y Arellano 1671
                                                |
                            Nicolas Felix de Arellano/Ana Carrillo Avila

Ricci,Just trying to clarify what you wrote. Ladino was a form of the Spanish language spoken near San Miguel? And what are "Jewish conversos?" Where there actually synagogues around there?Thanks,Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Ricci, Richard" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/20/2009 03:17 PMTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my familyThere are stories that the spanish being spoken near valle de Gpe, pegueros and san miguel was ladino and was spoken because of jewish converso ancestors.

Thanks to Maria Cortez and a volunteer at my local FHC, I now am familiar
with the value of batch numbers. I didn't locate anything on Diego Ruiz and
Catharina Perez yet, but, after too many hours online, I have probably

Catalina DE ARENAS Y MARIN DE PENALOSA is my 8x great-grandmother. I would be great if we could compare and share information. I would also be able to update the pedigree tree that I uploaded to my folder.Luis JAIMEdexaime@excite.com-----Original Message-----From: "R.

I have just finished posting my pedigree tree from my bisabuela Ma. DELGADO to Petronila MOCTEZUMA. I've seen that Petronila has already been convered on this site. However, I wanted to know what the final consensus was on her lineage to Moctezuma. And, does anyone have that data? The file can be found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2903

Other names in her tree are TISCARENO RUIS ESPARZA ESPINOSA MARQUEZ MOLINA NAVARRO DIAZ DELGADO. Can anyone expand on the data I have on those names that file? Thanks in advance for any help.

Luis JAIME

Salvador Cabral Valdes sent me the following information for those that
were asking about the Llanos de Valdes:

Registro modificado de -Pedro de Llanos de Valdes-1382

Primera generación

Hello to all!

Do any of you have info on Gertrudis Diaz de Leon? She was married to Juan Alvarez Tostado, son of Captian Juan Alvarez Tostado and Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza. Gertrudis is my 7th ggmother.

Just curious as to where, geographically speaking, your Zacatecas research is located/focused. Did your families move around frequently - i.e., were they in one place for more or less than 5 or 10 years, or for generations? My father was born (1912) at Hacienda del Astillero, SW of Valparaiso, off the Valparaiso-Huejucar Highway (Mex Hwy 44). His father was born at Hacienda de Santa Monica, Sain Alto (1879), his mother at Rancho San Mateo (1887; N of Valparaiso). There is a Santa Monica north of Sain Alto, but it looks pretty desolate on the Google map of the area.

My name is Charles Flores and I am a new member. I am eager to expand my
research here. My focus area is Juchipila, and Nochistlan, Zac. The surnames
are Flores, Rincon, Banuelos, Godina, Ascencio, Ruiz, Figueroa, and Quezada.

Below is my Ornelas line and ancestry.

1.Daniel Mendez del Camino b. 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
2.Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
3.Martin Mendez Serrano b. 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico

A person outside the group would like any comments on this picture:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17482 If anyone has any a comment to
share I'll send her your message.

Una persona afuera del grupo necesita informacion de este foto:

Any ideas on how to access church records that aren't posted on
familysearch? I need matrimonial records for Cuquio, Jalisco that predate
1741, which is the earliest posted. I emailed the archdiocese and they

I was looking through a film so far today and it included a marriage of a Rocha (havent had a chance to transcribe it) in 1770. I almost skipped it but I remember
that many members have de la Rocha lines and thought it would be good to scan it.

My name is Luis JAIME. After stopping my genealogy research for 11 years because of a dead end I have decided to pick it up again now that I've found this great nuestrosranchos.org web site. Something that didn't exsist back then... I don't think I can ever break through the dead end but I hope to share my research and data with other connections to my tree. There are still a few unanswered questions I have as well as some loose JAIME tree that I've yet to connect.